Ruby Ryder on Pegging – Smart Sex, Smart Love

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Ruby Ryder

For those who don’t know, Pegging is a sexual practice in which a woman performs anal sex on a man by penetrating his anus with a strap-on dildo. It’s anal sex reversed. My guest this week is Ruby Ryder of PeggingParadise.com and Pegging101.com. Ruby is a podcaster, blogger, sex educator and a published writer of erotic fiction who wants to normalize the concept of pegging. “I’m a shamebuster!” she says. “Society doesn’t let men be vulnerable, always putting guys in the ‘man box’. Pegging allows a man to explore their vulnerability, and I’m the fairy godmother of strap-on f***ing!”

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Speaker 2:        Welcome to smart sex, smart love. We’re talking about sex goes beyond the taboos and talking about love goes beyond the honeymoon. I’m dr Joe court. Thanks for tuning in.

Speaker 2:        hi everyone and welcome back to the show. Today we’re going to be talking about the taboo subject of pegging. For those who don’t know, pegging is a sexual practice in which a woman performs anal sex on a man by penetrating his anus with a strap on dildo. It’s not a gay thing, but it’s definitely a very touchy practice, especially in the straight male community who receive anal sex. It’s often thought of as a homosexual act. However, this isn’t true. Straight men often think that their masculinity will be in jeopardy if they think about anything gay at all, let alone a female fucking them with a rubber Dick, but pegging is not a gay thing whatsoever. No matter how you take it apart and put it back together, it’s still sex between a man and a woman. And my guest this week, Ruby writer wants to normalize the concept of pegging and lessen that taboo around it by correcting misconceptions and providing accurate information. Ruby of pegging paradise.com and pegging one-on-one dot com is a podcaster, blogger, sex educator and a published writer of erotic fiction. She’s been speaking and teaching about pegging for over eight years. Her erotica is in violet, violet, Blue’s best women’s erotica 2014 and she has also appeared in an episode of comedy Central’s not safe with Nikki Glaser. Welcome Ruby.

Speaker 3:        Hi Joe. Thanks for having me on the show.

Speaker 2:        I’m so glad to have you here because it’s really an important topic and a taboo topic that people don’t talk about. And I guess I’d like to start if we could with what brought you to decide you wanted to make this, educate the world about this?

Speaker 3:        Well, I kind of fell into it, uh, as I describe it, I’ve always been, ever since I became a sexual being, not having sex yet, but masturbating and aware of sex, I was always sort of aimlessly obsessed, if you will. That was the thing that turned me on the most, was the thought of that. So I had access to pen house letters for them, which is just the letters. And I was reading that one day and I came across a silly story about two couples. The women had labeled themselves football widows because their guys were always at the bar watching football games. And they came home and the women had strap ons on and they had footballs on the ground and made them bend over and they fucked him with strap ons. And I had no concept that this was even a possibility. And at the, I was 17 years old at that point.

Speaker 3:        And that idea grabbed hold and just never let go. But what I didn’t understand way back then was that not only did I want to do this, we did, it was a pleasurable thing for men to receive. They wanted to receive it as well. There were a of men out there that did, but that was kind of the Rubicon, you know, I crossed over it and I never went back and I suppressed those ideas for decades and I really advise everyone listening not to do what I did and what I labeled it bad and strange and different and all those things.

Speaker 2:        Why, why did you think you did that?

Speaker 3:        Because of this box that society puts us in because of the taboo nature of it. Uh, it flies in the face of so many things that society says we’re supposed to be sexually, you know, me, the dominant person, uh, doing the penetrating, the male being the more receptive and vulnerable one, all of those things and just anal sex period was kind of taboo back then. I didn’t jump in with both feet until I turned 50 and I kind of, that was an another crossing point where I thought, well, if not now when, and that’s when I put up my website and a year later I started my podcast and all of that began.

Speaker 2:        And you have how many shows on pegging on your podcast?

Speaker 3:        I just finished 255

Speaker 2:        we live and here because we think how many Epic, how much, how much can you talk about pegging and 255 episodes. But there must be a lot to say.

Speaker 3:        Well, you know, there’s lots of lap overs of course crossover things. Like for example, this last podcast I did was all about cross-dressing. I think if I had to give myself a name, I would call myself like a shame Buster because there’s so much shame around sexuality. It’s really sad. And, and as commonly happens, it’s not just pegging. I get letters from people who do the pegging and they do, sometimes they do some form of BDSM, dominance and submission. Sometimes they do cross dressing and all those things intersect. So what I began to see is that not only is there a ton of shame and embarrassment and misunderstandings, misconceptions around pegging, there’s also a lot of that around the, the crossover, um, fetishes or kinks that people have. And absolutely one of them is cross-dressing. And that truly can range all the way from full-on cross dressing to try and walk down the street and pass with the wigs and the makeup and the whole thing to just have soak your pair of panties that turns a guy on when he gets bagged.

Speaker 2:        Right. And I always tell people, cause I get couples in and the wife finds all this out, you know, it comes up in the cloud, she sees him dressed in her makeup or clothes and then she realizes maybe he’s using a dildo or wants to be pegged and she thinks it’s all gay. And I try to help her understand that it’s the men and it’s not even trans. Sometimes it could be. But really what it is is the man wants the eroticism is feeling like a woman being vulnerable and being submissive. Would you say that’s true what you see?

Speaker 3:        Absolutely. I say that’s true because again, society doesn’t let men be some, uh, not submissive, be vulnerable, be open up, be receptive. They tell them over and over and over again. You need to be charge. You need to be strong. You can’t ever ask for help. All of these things that put guys in the man box. So that all those things as are what men have to conquer in step beyond to explore pegging. But that’s the first assumption. Always. You know, I thought he was gay. So I recorded a couple of podcasts specifically for those situations. And when I say a couple, one is because many times it goes in the direction that you just said, where it’s a guy who does this secretly, or perhaps he comes to his partner and says, Hey, I think I’m interested in this. And then all those, uh, fears and misconceptions come up from the part of the female partner.

Speaker 3:        But sometimes it’s the opposite direction. And females find out about this, I like to call them givers and receivers because of the breakdown in the gender binary in our, in our society these days. But sometimes the givers find out first they would like to do this with a receiver. So I also have recorded a podcast for the gentleman, is what I call it. There’s one for the ladies and one for the gentlemen. And it’s a fabulous thing to listen to if it’s at that point where you’ve just introduced the topic and you really want to reassure your partner of all of these things and it doesn’t try and convince, it offers accurate information so that the couples can talk about it.

Speaker 2:        So let me ask you this because listeners are going to say, okay, if it’s not gay, why would a straight man want to be pegged?

Speaker 3:        Oh my God. Because there’s so much pleasure, it’ll blow your mind. Women have a G spot, right? So there are a ton of similarities between G-spot and prostate. It, it will really just blow your mind from the fetal tissue before it differentiates. Gender wise is the same tissue that becomes the prostate becomes the a G spot. And women have always thought to kind of own the territory, if you will, of multiple orgasms, full body orgasms. And it’s absolutely possible for men to have those as well. With prostate stimulation. And this is usually the sentence that I bring out that that hopefully will help to convince men to try this out. It’s men who have experienced an orgasm by simultaneous stimulation of prostate and penile stimulation. They reach an orgasm through this method, right? They describe their orgasm as roughly 10 times as powerful as in normal orgasms.

Speaker 3:        And I’ve tested this theory by going on Reddit, Reddit, sex subreddit, right? And asking this question and yes, they pretty much all say, yeah, about 10 times or even more. So it’s really an intense form of pleasure and yes, you can also, you can get multiple orgasms potentially or full body orgasms potentially just like some women can get those through G spot and some can’t, but also it’s not just pleasure. I mean, I could going here, and I’m going to just for a moment, because prostate health, absolutely. Prostate health is huge. When men get to a 50 years old, they have to start thinking about prostate health and that’s when they start doing the checks at the doctor and BPH, which has benign prostatic hyperplasia, short word for that, a swollen prostate. It’s practically epidemic in this country and it’s been shown that prostate massage will help this.

Speaker 3:        A small company that makes this wonderful solo prostate massage toy. The name of the company is in narrows. When they were first coming to the United States, they started this company and they called, they have a um, website to this day called high island.com. I don’t know why they named it that. And there is a published study and insurance ology using these solo use, prostate massage devices. And over 90 some percent of the subjects in the test had a very dramatic reduction in symptomatology of swollen prostate. And some had it go away completely. So as you know, you know, medical studies are really expensive so it didn’t progress to that. But prostate massage is excellent for your prostate and you know, pegging is a form of prostate cancer.

Speaker 2:        Yeah. And you know, I’ve also heard of it as a prostate orgasm. Right. So that’s really what you’re saying. The prostate gets stimulated and it makes the, what I just heard you say is the orgasm 10 times better.

Speaker 3:        Yes. And you can actually, well, some prostate owners can orgasm just from prostate stimulation. They call that hands-free orgasm.

Speaker 2:        Mmm, right, right. I’ve heard that too. All right. So then how do you help the women? Cause a lot of the men that come to see me that enjoy it feel afraid to tell their girlfriends or female partners because they don’t want to be shamed and they feel there’ll be sure

Speaker 3:        I, you know, that’s exactly why I made this podcast. And what it does is it takes you through all the misconceptions and that it’s not just he’s gay. Uh, many times they have misconceptions like, Oh, you want to do that pegging thing? And if they’ve watched any kind of pegging porn, picking porn is completely overrepresented by, um, a woman dressed up as a dominatrix. Usually the guy is oftentimes in bondage or, but he’s definitely feminized. He’s wearing women’s clothing. He’s acting like it hurts and she is often almost always, uh, verbally humiliating him and deg and degrading him. So why wouldn’t she was assumed that these things go hand in hand with Peggy and none of those kinks are bad things. If that’s what you love, then rock on. But this podcast, when you listen to, it gives you an opportunity to have that conversation with your spouse about, so do you want to dress up like a woman? Because these are many of the fears that go along with it.

Speaker 2:        You know, I think what they’ve done in porno bet is sort of eroticized and, and so like if he’s doing this, he’s got to be feminized and it’s got to be BDSM. So he’s forced into it. He can’t just want it. He can’t be begging for it. Then something not straight about him. I dunno. That’s what I think is probably part of the reason. I don’t know what you think.

Speaker 3:        Well, I went to, uh, uh, women’s, um, what was it called? It was a summit, uh, and it was, uh, a feminist, uh, pornography type of a discussion happening. It was that you CSB here in California. Tristan Tamino was there, the launch of people, and I believe it was Trish and Tara Mina who said, you know, they don’t take a survey to the, you know, these porn producers to find out what we really want to see.

Speaker 2:        Oh, that’s true. That is true. She’s so smart just into your amino.

Speaker 3:        So yeah. So sometimes when people say, well, I really want to tell my girlfriend or my wife that I want to explore this and I think I’ll just show her some porn. I’m like, Oh God, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 2:        Now let me ask you this, cause you know I’m Justin, Les Miller, do you know his work? Tell me what you want his book.

Speaker 3:        Yes.

Speaker 2:        So he did a study and he found in his study that big study that 60% of the women in the study enjoyed or wanted to do pegging. Have you ever heard of that?

Speaker 3:        I have not heard that. Figure four. It doesn’t really surprise me to me all that much because there’s a lot of different reasons to want to do it.

Speaker 2:        So let’s say, yeah, here

Speaker 3:        myself, I want to do it because it’s a thrill for me. It’s erotic thrill. I would describe myself as a dominant central sadist because I’m in BDSM as well. However, there’s a whole lot of women out there who really enjoy being the submissive partner, being the receiver more and not doing it the way I do it. And that that’s the thing that’s, there’s so many different ways to do pegging. It really, truly can just be one more way to make love. It can be very sensual, it can be very soft. So those women would want to do it just because it’s something that gives their partner so much pleasure.

Speaker 2:        And what does it give them? Um, for, to do it. Cause one time I had a client, they were struggling around this and I said to her, you know, cause that’s therapist. We help couples differentiate around money, around children, around religion. But we stop when it comes to sex and I don’t, I’m a sex therapist and she didn’t want to do it and he wanted her to do it. So they had this conversation and I said to her, would you be willing to try it just once. You can always stop in the middle of it. You don’t have to go through the whole thing. What would you just be willing to see what comes up for you, even if it’s just a few minutes or less. And she agreed and they came back in the next session and I said, how did it go? And she said, Oh my God, I haven’t been this aroused since we were first together. I felt dominant. I made him my bitch and he’s got a thumbs up and he’s his head swirling around like yep, she did. And she realized that only after he, you know, she allowed herself to stretch into what he wanted. Sometimes that has to happen that way I guess. Huh?

Speaker 3:        I think so. Yes. And it can go other ways too, because part of what prevents some women from exploring this is they’re kind of suffering from being in their own box. And what I mean by that is they’re really invested in these rigid gender definitions. So they’re invested in having a man partner who always looked strong, you know, and, and this whole thing of, it’s funny because you can use the same term. Are you going to respect me in the morning? You know, will he look at me the same way in the morning? You can turn it around gender wise. Will she look at me the same way in the morning? And sometimes women do not want to see their partner that way, so to speak. And what do I mean by that way? Well, a lot of people assume that pegging requires submission. It really doesn’t.

Speaker 3:        It’s a difference between submission and vulnerability. Vulnerability is, it’s having the courage to open yourself up and allow another person to do something to you that is completely communicated about, negotiated and you have boundaries, but you were still opening yourself up, being receptive and being vulnerable and allowing them to do something submission as you do what they want. Right, that makes sense. A lot of people assume that it’s submission and it’s not as vulnerability, but vulnerability is absolutely, um, conflated with weakness, unfortunately, where men are concerned and vulnerability is something that a lot of men, a lot of women do not like to see their partners display.

Speaker 2:        This is such a good distinction. And when you talk about vulnerability, I’m wondering if you ever want to get Brenae Brown, who does that work on vulnerability to endorse your work, right? Because you’re helping men become vulnerable. I’m just joking. I’m quoted her, I have

Speaker 3:        linked to her, her a Ted talk so many times. Oh, different work. Really. I have,

Speaker 2:        was it hard for you if you could share this, cause you talked about loving pegging to find a partner that embraced your love for it?

Speaker 3:        No, there’s a lot of men out there that want this.

Speaker 2:        Okay. Right. And it’s,

Speaker 3:        it was like a, a sexual, um, I can’t even think of the word for it. I was coming out of a very non-sexual marriage. I was 50 and it was like a sexual celebration. It was a party because there are so many men out there that want this, that to this day. And I am 62 now, Joe. Oh wow. I am beseeched by men.

Speaker 2:        [inaudible] want this

Speaker 3:        and they don’t do it. Well, I’m not saying they send me these lovely letters of introduction. They’re mostly looking for a woman to peg them. And it’s kind of like, you know, there’s a woman underneath this strap on.

Speaker 2:        Yeah. Yeah. And would these men be, how would they identify straight gay, BI fluid? Not, not identify at all?

Speaker 3:        How do they or how do I answer

Speaker 2:        Oh, them, I’m sorry. How do the men identified? Do they tell you?

Speaker 3:        Um, no, no. Most of the time that’s not a topic of conversation. Sometimes. Uh, I’m on a website fetlife.com on, uh, the internet. And so they, people usually list their orientation on there. The vast majority of time, the men that I have interacted with, I would, well, okay. Percentage wise, about 60% I think would be heterosexual.

Speaker 2:        Okay. Okay. And I know it’s a secret among women and they talk about it, is that when they’re giving men a blow job, I’ve heard women talk about this for years, many years. They’ll sometimes surprise them and stick a finger around the anus or inside. And the guys may be shocked at first, but then he starts enjoying it. Have you heard of that?

Speaker 3:        Yes. I call that gorilla ass play.

Speaker 2:        What does that mean? Explain gorilla ass play? Well, it just means you need, yeah.

Speaker 3:        Now it’s an and, and it’s interesting cause we all have our boundaries around where consent is needed and what sort of standard and what you can kind of just sort of do. Right. I think it’s totally fine if you’re giving a blow job to take your finger and, and circle around that opening there. And there’s tons of wonderful pleasure receptors there and it can feel really exquisite, but to stick it in [inaudible] that’s not cool.

Speaker 2:        You know? That’s so good. And thank you for saying that. I didn’t, I wasn’t even thinking that way cause he was talking about a man, a man. So he needs to have consent to, it’s not just a woman thing, right? It’s men too needs to be able to say yes

Speaker 3:        always. And the thing is, is that um, when you, when you switch roles like this, uh, you find things out and one of the things you find out is that penetration can be kind of intense and penetration requires vulnerability. And maybe not every night is a penetration night. That’s one of the things that guys find out.

Speaker 2:        Yes, right? That not everything is about penetration either way.

Speaker 3:        [inaudible] [inaudible]

Speaker 2:        what else would you want people to know, like as, um, something that, uh, highlight of pegging that you would want them to take away from this?

Speaker 3:        Well, going on with the whole idea of the role reversal, which is one of the beautiful things that this offers people. Uh, for example, most women don’t have a clue what it takes to fuck somebody. It takes strength and endurance and balance and grace and multitasking. It takes multitasking to a degree that women will never truly understand because when we strap one on, it’s always hard and we don’t have to do that. Riding the line between having just enough fun to keep it hard but not too much fun. So it ends too quickly and it’s basically an athletic event. And when you try fucking someone as a woman, you will have so much more understanding and compassion for your partner role during regular PIV sex or Pia or whatever you guys do. And conversely, men discover how important foreplay is, how important using lube when you’re doing anal is.

Speaker 3:        And that powerful, um, receptivity of being penetrated and the intensity of that, that can be a little overwhelming in fact, that there is a phenomenon that happens with women in G spots where sometimes they have an emotional reaction to it, like get emotional. I have an emotional flood. They get teary-eyed. That can also happen with men. And this is one of the things that’s not talked about a lot with the whole tagging thing. So I end up reassuring people like, no, you’re not broken guys. This is okay. And women, you just need to be there and hold space for those emotions just like a man would if that’s what happened to you. But I think that overall, what would I tell people more about pegging? I would say that if you have any inclination to try it, it’s one of the most rewarding things that I’ve found in terms of deepening intimacy. Because when you switch roles like that, what you’re doing is you’re getting more understanding and compassion for your partner’s usual roles. And that deepens intimacy. I had get so many letters about the deepening of intimacy and it can kind of kickstart a marriage that’s been, or a partnership that’s been happening for many years. And it can be a fun thing to explore at any time in a relationship. But so many letters about the deepening of intimacy.

Speaker 2:        I want to just clarify for listeners, PIV, sex is penis and vagina and Pia sex is penis and anus. Just because some people might not have known [inaudible]

Speaker 3:        thank you. I do acronyms.

Speaker 2:        I know. So do I. And then I was, people say, what does that mean? So what about, it’s not just strap on sex, right? Don’t, isn’t there a device for women that they can stick into the vagina and use?

Speaker 3:        Well, you know, this is going back to um, what, what people get out of it. What men, women get out of it. Cause I don’t think I answered that sufficiently because what I, I hear you kind of leaning into is, okay, the guy’s getting all this pleasure. What about the woman? If you have the right equipment, there’s all kinds of stimulation that you can get from pegging. A guy. Absolutely. There are wonderful pieces of equipment that can give you clitoral stimulation. There’s wonderful pieces of equipment that can give you G-spot stimulation and depending on your level of responsiveness, absolutely orgasms are possible. So sometimes when men approach their partners with this, uh, they say, well, you know, I don’t want to do that cause I don’t get anything out of it. And this is a stance that I really don’t understand because I mean when you’re giving a blow job, you’re not getting simultaneous stimulation either. There is a certain extent where you, you’re, you love doing it because you’re giving your partner pleasure. But also if you want to go down that path of simultaneous stimulation and go for your orgasm as well, I can tell you all kinds of equipment that can help you do that depending on your particular configuration of what turns you on.

Speaker 2:        That’s awesome. And yes, I was going in that direction because I do get women that say, well what’s in it for me? And they don’t understand that there can be lots of, of an, I like how you explained it.

Speaker 3:        Yeah, it definitely can. And it was, here’s a funny little thing to share is that me sort of, you know, the expert on pegging the queen of pegging, whatever somebody, somebody said you’re like the, the fairy godmother of strap on Fox

Speaker 2:        and you’re ashamed. Buster. I like both of those names for you.

Speaker 3:        I have not orgasm while pegging yet. Now you’ve noticed the emphasis I put on that. It’s just the way I’m wired and, and I’m fine with it at the same time, it’s a fun little goal to have, you know, because I’m such a giver that when I’m doing that, it’s like I am so focused on giving, and this is another thing that women are not used to is, is that whole thing of you fucked the person for a little bit and then you, you see how the much they’re liking it, what they think of it, and then you change your angle may be a little bit and you do it again and you go, Oh, they liked this better. So I’m so focused on that type of thing that I lose focus on my own pleasure. And you know, don’t mistake me when I’m done. I’m dripping way excited. But at the same time, I have not reached orgasm while tagging. So I have a new toy that I got at Christmas this month later

Speaker 2:        on. So tell us where, where do people get these toys? You’re talking about?

Speaker 3:        Oh my goodness. Well, they’re on the internet, but really briefly, one thing you really need to be careful when you’re buying sex toys is you need to make sure they’re from a good company and they are body safe and nontoxic. The sex toy industry is, is unregulated. What does that mean? It means that they’re classified as novelties, which technically in terms of bringing things in from other countries, gives them a classification that allows them to go through customs without having any kind of, um, oversight in terms of health effects and stuff like that. So there are a lot of sex toys out there. For example, the $10 dildos you buy on Amazon, please don’t buy those people. They can have chemicals in them that have been abandoned, children’s toys and pet toys and they can also be porous and Harbor bacteria that can continually give you you UTS or things like that.

Speaker 3:        But beyond that, we have been raised in this country to think of labels as Bibles. It’s like that’s true. Of course I read it on the label, right? Don’t do that with sex toys because they can put 100% silicone, which is what you want on the label and it can be completely ally and there’s no repercussions what so ever. So I know it can get really kind of wild trying to find the right sex choice. So I teach three webinars. One is for beginning tagging and it gives you all of the basic stuff. The second one literally is an hour and a half equipment and you end up with an email that gives you links to all the different equipment that is the best stuff that is safe for the all the very types of things that you want because there’s so many different toys. It’s like a Disneyland of toys.

Speaker 2:        Yes. I love it. This is so helpful for people because they don’t know where to go and they don’t know what books to read. And um, now they go to where, how can they find your stuff on your, on your website?

Speaker 3:        Yes. I have two websites that you mentioned in the beginning. Thank you. One of them pegging paradises the one I’ve had the longest now be with forewarned warned@peggingparadise.com that I do kind of let my freak flag fly a little bit because I am into BDSM. I talk about beating men and all kinds of different things. So I know that there’s a whole bunch of people out there who have an interest in exploring pegging, but that’s just not their thing. So that’s when I started pegging one on one.com. All of the informational articles are there with no kink attached. So the, the more vanilla, if you will, uh, people can go there and check out pegging, get all the information. There’s frequently asked questions. There’s a whole list of things to read. If you’re brand new at this,

Speaker 2:        you are such an educator and you educated me. And just this little half hour and it makes me want to listen to all 255 of your podcast. It’s because it makes sense cause we’ve been waiting to ask you how can you make 255 but now I get it. There’s so many different angles to each one of these areas.

Speaker 3:        There are. There really, really are. And there’s so many. I dunno, the more that I’ve, I have dove in, the more that I find and then I am, you know, specializing. This last podcast that I did was all about cross dressing. And sometimes it intersects with pegging and sometimes it doesn’t. But there it’s, it just keeps going. That’s all I can do.

Speaker 2:        It does. And now I get it. And I hope that the listeners get it. And I like that you’ve separated it out from BDSM. It can be about BDSM, it doesn’t have to be about BDSM, it can be vanilla sex with pegging. Pegging might be kinky, but you can do it in a vanilla way. Right?

Speaker 3:        Absolutely. And that’s one of the misconceptions that I go over on my podcast for the ladies and for the gentlemen. And that is one of the more common ones is that it has to be that way and I blame that on porn. I really do.

Speaker 2:        [inaudible] yeah, right. It’s very, very true. All right, so, um, we have to wrap up. Where can people find you in the end? You said paradise one Oh one

Speaker 3:        pegging paradise.com pegging one-on-one dot com and I have um, a Facebook page. I have a me we page, which is a new social platform I’m on FetLife as Ruby underscore, writer and writer is spelled R Y D E R on pegging paradise are links to all kinds of things, links to my upcoming webinars, links to my erotica and have a Patrion page as well. That’s one of the things that helps keep this going. There are a number of people who are so thankful that I have helped bring this into their lives, that they just want to give me my $5 a month and try and help other people to do it as well. I do have a Patrion page as well, and all of those links on my website.

Speaker 2:        Thank you so much, Ruby. I knew this would be a good episode and I think it’s even better than I would have anticipated. Thank you so much [inaudible].

Speaker 3:        I really appreciate the opportunity to talk about it. It’s my passion, so thank you.

Speaker 2:        It shows. Thank you so much. Thanks for listening to this episode of smart sex, smart love. I’m dr Joe court and you can find me on Joe kort.com that’s J O E K O R t.com. See you next time.

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